demoj091 12/05/2000 subscribers: 368 question of the week: anyone ever noticed how we are what the sociologists define by ever-growing global village? someone should write sociological thesis on demoscene last week reactions: > Should democompos on big demoparties > be separated? (non3dacc, 3dacc, java) yes they should be seperated if there are at least 5 entries per seperate compo. no need to seperate java, because java is just another programming language... -unlock yes! of coz! -goro Yes, unless there are not enough entries to make it standalone compos. And if they are combined, the public should be informed what category the next demo should have been in, so we can take that in account. -Seven no. today demos are not limited by hardware but by what people can archieve. and i don't really see much difference today between those two types of demos. java? take a look at godog and other cool stuff and you'll agree that there's not much difference either. a good coder with good artists can make good demos on every configuration (or bad ones). -bam It depends on how many entries there are for the different platforms (Dos, Win, Linux, Java). Because if all platforms have their own compo, there will be to much compos at the party with only a few entries each. For 3Dacc, I think they have to compete in the same compo as non-3Dacc; just mention it before the demo shows. -DJefke of course not !! demo is art -flod of course :) -Szum They should be separated, but not in the way you suggest. I think separating into "ibm-x86", "amiga/0x0/ppc" and perhaps "mac/0x0/ppc", "playstation/?" is better, but all os for one platform should compete in the same compo. -Malte combine!! ever! everything should go into one compo! Which prick ever thought of separating by os or hardware?? eek! in a century which is moving towards style and ideas (no i won't name the controversial d- word here), which technique is used to visualize those ideas is less important. Compo organisers should just clearly state what os/hardware/etc is used for the next demo (like a screen with "Title: bla, Group: bla, System: Win32, 3d acc" or something), in which way an amiga demo performing q3a-quality 3d shows will still show of bigtime because people KNOW it was done on amiga. With a lack of entries one could even think of combining 4k, 64k and democompos. or ehm, well. 64k and demo at least, as coding them is quite equally done, only the way resources are used isn't. And about the quote 'big demoparties': they don't exist anymore. the big parties have turned into gamerparties, and sceners fled to smaller parties making them bigger, but them still not being the real big parties like there used to be, as people all go to different smaller parties. -egd news: kfmf goes mp3 full throttle. http://www.kosmic.org/what.html theralite release #8 optic - "to the moon" ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/music/groups/theralite/mp3/thera008_optic-to_the_moon.mp3 http://theralite.avalon.hr hmm.. psychedelic spectrum flavour dynamic webpages zden/satori and friends.. http://haluska.sk Please vote for eurocharts (now PC) http://www.eurocharts.org/ Far West 2 was held. Tip: winning demo. http://www.esiea-ouest.fr/pp/renard Parodox 2000 was held aswell. Tip: winning intro. http://www.pdx2k.org "summer encounter 2k" morphed into "scene event 2k" due to name copyright problems. It will still be held same place same date. http://se2k.dk bustrip to se2k from paris/france is also still beeing organized. Different name same destination. http://flod.planet-d.net Fleur#5 will soon be out, flash interface. any support would be great. d-lee303@mailcity.com due to popular demand the scene links in the end of demojournal have returned. complain to your aunt if you dislike it. upcoming demoparties: May 12 - May 13, 2000 Russia Millennium http://www.zx.da.ru May 13 - May 15, 2000 Russia SPRYG 2k http://www.hackzone.ru/spryg May 12 - May 14, 2000 Finland Escape 2k http://escape.stc.cx May 26 - May 28, 2000 Germany Radwar Party 2000 http://www.radwar.com Jun 16 - Jun 18, 2000 Holland Takeover 2000 http://www.takeover.nl Jun 16 - Jun 18, 2000 Finland Plutonium 2000 http://plutonium2000.cjb.net Jun 29 - Jul 02, 2000 Sweden Remedy 2000 http://www.remedy.nu Jul 07 - Jul 09, 2000 France VIP 2 http://popsyteam.rtel.fr/VIP Jul 14 - Jul 16, 2000 Belgium Inscene 2000 http://www.inscene.org Jul ?? - Jul ??, 2000 Finland Proxy 1886 http://www.proxy.kannus.fi Jul ?? - Jul ??, 2000 Poland Horizon 2000 http://www.horizon2k.ae.pl Jul 19 - Jul 22, 2000 Denmark se2k http://se2k.dk Jul 22 - Jul 25, 2000 Spain Euskal party 8 http://www.euskalparty.org Jul 28 - Jul 30, 2000 Sweden Little comp. people http://www.lcp2000.c64.org Jul 28 - Jul 30, 2000 Hungary Flag 2000 http://flag2000.flashdesign.hu Aug 04 - Aug 06, 2000 France Ze meeting 2000 http://roudoudou.planet-d.net/zemeeting/zemeeting.html Aug 03 - Aug 06, 2000 Finland Assembly 2000 http://www.assembly.org Aug 07 - Aug 13, 2000 Spain Campus party 2000 http://www.campus-party.org Aug 11 - Aug 13, 2000 Swiss Buenzli #9 http://www.buenz.li Aug 18 - aug 20, 2000 Germany Evoke #5 http://www.evoke-net.de Aug 19 - Aug 20, 2000 Russia Chaos Const. 2000 http://www.chaosite.com/constructions Aug 25 - Aug 27, 2000 France LTP 4 http://ltp.planet-d.net Aug ?? - Aug ??, 2000 Canada Coma 2 http://altern.org/glutomax/coma2 Aug 31 - Sep 03, 2000 France aRTS Y2K http://www.rtsy.org Sep ?? - Sep ??, 2000 Poland Gravity 2000 http://www.demoscena.pl/gravity Oct ?? - Oct ??, 2000 Finland lobotomia Oct ?? - Oct ??, 2000 Germany Dialogos 2000 http://www.dialogos.cc Nov 03 - Nov 05, 2000 France Millenium Party 2K http://Party2k.citeweb.net Nov 03 - Nov 05, 2000 Belgium 2-THOUSAND http://www.multimania.com/tthousand Dec 01 - Dec 03, 2000 Finland Tapahtuma5 Dec 15 - Dec 17, 2000 Holland ST News ICCC 2000 http://www.fortysecond.net/stniccc2000 group links: 3g Design..............................http://3gdesign.cjb.net Aardbei.....................................http://aardbei.com Acid Rain..............................http://surf.to/acidrain Agravedict........................http://www.agravedict.art.pl Anakata..............................http://www.anakata.art.pl ANDESA Soft International..................http://andesa.da.ru Astral..............................http://astral.scene-hu.com Astroidea........................http://astroidea.scene-hu.com AtomiK....................................http://atomik.ini.hu Bomb..................................http://bomb.planet-d.net BlaBla..............................http://blabla.planet-d.net Blasphemy..............................http://www.blasphemy.dk Byterapers.....................http://www.byterapers.scene.org Calodox.................................http://www.calodox.org Chrome..............................http://chrome.scene-hu.com CoPro.....................................http://www.copro.org Damage...................................http://come.to/damage Dance...................................http://dance.flipp.net Defacto 2..............................http://www.defacto2.net Dolops......................... ........http://dolOps.scene.hu Exceed...........................http://www.inf.bme.hu/~exceed Fobia Design...........................http://www.fd.scene.org GODS...................................http://www.idf.net/gods Green.....................................http://green.dyns.cx Grif........................http://arrabonet.gyor.hu/~rattgrif Haujobb......................................http://haujobb.de Hellcore............................http://www.hellcore.art.pl IJSKAST.............................http://www.ijskast.cjb.net Immortals..............................http://imrt.home.ml.org Infuse...................................http://www.infuse.org Just For Fun...........................http://jff.planet-d.net Kilobite...............................http://kilobite.cjb.net Kolor................................http://www.kaoz.org/kolor Kooma.....................................http://www.kooma.com Label zero.........................http://labelzero.pganet.com Mandula.........................http://www.inf.bme.hu/~mandula Monar................ftp://amber.bti.pl/pub/scene/distro/monar Nextempire..................http://members.xoom.com/NEXTEMPIRE Ninja Gefilus.........http://www.angelfire.com/or/ninjagefilus Noice.....................................http://www.noice.org Orion..............................http://orion.arfstudios.org Quad........................................http://www.quad.nl Rage........................................http://www.rage.nu Replay.......................http://www.shine.scene.org/replay Retro A.C...........................http://www.retroac.cjb.net Rhyme................................http://rhyme.scene-hu.com Skytech team............................http://www.skytech.org Sunflower.......................http://sunflower.opengl.org.pl Suspend......................http://www.optimus.wroc.pl/rappid Tehdas...................................http://come.to/tehdas Tesko..........................http://www.scentral.demon.co.uk The Black Lotus.............................http://www.tbl.org The Digital Artists Wired Nation.http://digitalartists.cjb.net The Lost Souls...............................http://www.tls.no TPOLM.....................................http://www.tpolm.com Trauma.................................http://sauna.net/trauma Tulou.....................................http://www.tulou.org T-Rex.....................................http://www.t-rex.org Unik.....................................http://www.unik.ca.tc Universe..........................http://universe.planet-d.net Vantage..................................http://www.vantage.ch music links: Aisth.....................................http://www.aisth.com Aural planet........................http://www.auralplanet.com Blacktron Music Production...........http://www.d-zign.com/bmp Chill..........................http://www.bentdesign.com/chill Chippendales......................http://www.sunpoint.net/~cnd Chiptune...............................http://www.chiptune.com Da Jormas................................http://www.jormas.com Five Musicians.........................http://www.fm.scene.org Fridge...........................http://www.ssmedion.de/fridge Goodstuff..........................http://artloop.de/goodstuff Ignorance.............................http://www.ignorance.org Intense...........................http://intense.ignorance.org Jecoute.................................http://jecoute.cjb.net Kosmic Free Music Foundation.............http://www.kosmic.org Level-d.................................http://www.level-d.com Miasmah.............................http://www.miasmah.cjb.net Milk.......................................http://milk.sgic.fi Mah Music.............................http://come.to/mah.music Maniacs of noise...............http://home.worldonline.nl/~mon MAZ's Sound homepage.............http://www.th-zwickau.de/~maz Mo'playaz..........................http://ssmedion.de/moplayaz Mono211.................................http://www.mono211.com Morbid Minds..............http://www.raveordie.com/morbidminds Noise................................http://www.noisemusic.org One Touch Records......................http://otr.planet-d.net Park..................................http://park.planet-d.net Radical Rhythms........................http://spaz.com/radical RBi Music.............................htpp://www.rbi-music.com Ruff Engine................http://members.xoom.com/ruff_engine SHR8M......................................http://1st.to/shr8m Sound Devotion................http://sugarbomb.x2o.net/soundev Soundstate.........................http://listen.to/soundstate Sunlikamelo-D...........http://www.error-404.com/sunlikamelo-d Suspect Records........................http://www.tande.com/sr Tequila........................http://www.defacto2.net/tequila Tempo................................http://tempomusic.cjb.net Theralite...........................http://theralite.avalon.hr Tokyo Dawn Records........................http://tdr.scene.org UltraBeat.........................http://www.innerverse.com/ub Vibrants................................http://www.vibrants.dk Wiremaniacs.........................http://www.wiremaniacs.com people: 3d addict...................http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc5877 Anders Akerheden...............http://hem.passagen.se/andersak Ari..............................http://www.primenet.com/~arie Attack..............................http://attack.planet-d.net Balrog.........................http://www.mds.mdh.se/~mek98adl Carlos..............................http://www.nexus.hu/carlos Cosmic..............................http://www.myweb.de/cosmic !Cube......................http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~tlonnber Cyclone..................................http://zap.to/cyclone Dave.............................http://www.come.to/davecorner DaVinci.................................http://davinci.ice.org Echo................................http://www.kki.net.pl/echo Exocet..........................http://jff.planet-d.net/exocet Flan.............................http://www.error-404.com/flan Gardner................................http://www.gardner.z.pl Grabule........................http://members.xoom.com/grabule Hunz............................http://www.globec.com.au/~hunz HP........................................http://hp.pardey.org Immortal Rat................................http://ir.scene.hu Inferno............................http://inferno.planet-d.net Jean Nine....................................http://j9.cjb.net Jimsendu............................http://home.sol.no/ojakobs Jupiter....................http://members.xoom.com/JupiterCode Lazur....................................http://lazur.punkt.pl Leviathan....................http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ajcarlso Los........................http://www.angelfire.com/in/miku305 Mephisto.............................http://www.chez.com/shiva Mystical................................http://www.mystical.dk Nekrite.....................................http://move.to/ap0 Nico....................................http://geecs.org/~nico Nino...................http://www.saunalahti.fi/~kuusnie/tapsa Nitro...................ftp://ftp.scene.hu/Artists/music/Nitro Nogsf..............................http://www.saers.com/~nogsf Pow.................................http://home.sol.no/~tskara P-rat...................................http://www.subphase.de Rents................................http://newdigital.tsx.org Rez.................................http://reeeeez.citeweb.net Rod.................................http://www.inf.bme.hu/~rod Scorpik............................http://scorpik.planet-d.net Shodan...............................http://shodan.skytech.org Skal..................................http://skal.planet-d.net Skaven..........................http://isis.yok.utu.fi/~skaven Smash.............................http://jecoute.cjb.net/smash Sol..................................http://www.icon.fi/~solar Spell.........................http://www.ThePentagon.com/Spell Splif..............................http://splif.aegis-corp.org Szoke......................................http://szoke.ini.hu TheREW..............................http://home.wxs.nl/~therew Traven..............................http://traven.planet-d.net TS................................http://www2.hawaii.edu/~myee Tuo.....................................http://tuo.skytech.org Unlock...........................http://www.profzone.ch/unlock Velikani.............................http://ltk.hut.fi/~akiuru Vivid..................................http://vivid.kosmic.org Wain.............http://zevs.ifi.ntnu.no/~frankwer/gfx/gfx.htm Warder...............................http://www.dlc.fi/~warder Willbe...................................http://willbe.cjb.net Xcene...................................http://xcene.flipp.net Yannis...........................http://www.zip.com.au/~yannis Zden....................................http://message.sk/zden diskmag and charts: Amber...............................http://amber.bti.pl/di_mag Amnesia...............http://amnesia-dist.future.easyspace.com Demojournal....................http://demojournal.planet-d.net Doose charts...............................http://www.doose.dk Dragon......................http://www.wasp.w3.pl/pages/dragon Fleur................................http://fleur.scene-hu.com Heroin...................................http://www.heroin.net Hugi........................http://home.pages.de/~hugidownload Pain..................................http://pain.planet-d.net Scenial...........................http://www.scenial.scene.org Scenet....................................http://www.scenet.de Static Line......................http://www.ic.l7.net/statline Sunray..............................http://sunray.planet-d.net Total Disaster...................http://www.totaldisaster.w.pl TUHB.......................................http://www.tuhb.org WildMag...........................http://www.wildmag.notrix.de general: Arf!Studios..........................http://www.arfstudios.org #coders..................................http://coderz.cjb.net Calodox demolinks exchange.....http://calodox.planet-d.net/cde Comic Pirates.........................http://scene-central.com Demo fanclub........................http://jerware.org/fanclub Demoscene.org news forum..............http://www.demoscene.org Digital Undergrounds.....................http://dug.iscool.net Dreams2 CD.........................http://nl.scene.org/dreams2 Freax...................http://freax.scene-hu.com/mainmenu.htm GfxZone............................http://gfxzone.planet-d.net Hugi size-compo...............http://home.pages.de/~hugi-compo Orange Juice.........................http://ojuice.citeweb.net PC-demos explained.....http://www.oldskool.org/demos/explained #pixel..................................http://pixel.scene.org Swiss List.................http://www.profzone.ch/vantage/list Swiss Scene Server.......................http://www.chscene.ch TakeOver................................http://www.takeover.nl Textmode Demo Archive.................http://tmda.planet-d.net Hungarian scene page...................http://www.scene-hu.com Zen of Tracking.........................http://surf.to/the-imm archive: ACiD2 Archive.............................ftp://acid2.stack.nl Amber.......................................ftp://amber.bti.pl Cyberbox.....................................ftp://cyberbox.de Flerp.....................................ftp://flerp.scene.hu Scene.org..................................ftp://ftp.scene.org Skynet archive.................ftp://acid2.stack.nl/pub/skynet 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