Well Avenge 13 was pretty good but it seems egos and other things are now getting in the way. It was a good pack boys but quit straining yerself to pat yourself on the back. Everyone Knows it was good no need to go around and parade it in front of everyone's faces I mean what's your level of mentality anyways Grammar school ? =)

When have egos ever NOT gotten in the way? It's all part of the fun.

When you work in a format which is universally despised then you are left free to develop quality of content regardless of mass expectations and responses. When nobody wants your work no ego develops and the artist is free to pursue creations which satisfy themselves, not a faceless audience, and to ultimately develop a much closer tie to their work (especially when the work, like writing for instance, is all-original compared to the heavily derivative nature of much ansi.)

Being an ansi artist in the underground art scene, you may not have been aware of this. Keep getting the fans, and stay aware that your creations are essentially meaningless crowd-fodder - I'll choose obscurity with integrity.

The bottom line is ego's are very much an integral part of not just the ansi scene, but the computer underground scene in general. It's part of the "spice" baby. Without it, the scene would be just another get along gang pajama party filled with panty wearing tree huggers that get hard ons from praising one another. I don't want anyone analyzing my ansi's, trying to determine the emotions I had pouring out of my ass when I was drawing some super bitch's tits. I want someone to look at my ansi and say "THAT'S FUCKING COOL!" or "THAT FUCKING SUCKS!" Hell yeah my ansis are meaningless crowd-fodder. They serve no purpose to me other than a) entertainment and b) entertainment. They're fun to draw and they're fun to get into arguments over. Does this make me an empty carcass with no ounce of artistic integrity in me? Well, to someone that's whole reason for being is converting the ansi scene to a sphere of activity that revolves around "real artists", yes. To us normal folk, NO. Because I choose to channel my artistic energy elsewhere. Ok, I've digressed enough now. Anyway, there have been ego's since the dawn of the ansi scene and there will be egos til it's death. I SAY HELL YEAH and ALL PRAISE TO RADMAN!

werd to yo momz

Everyone check out my poem in the Lit Thread and tell me what you think.

It was inspired by an avenge13 ansi, lets see if you can guess which one.. :)

maybe maestro's ideology is what divides the funboys from the real artists?

should i be looked down upon because i choose to channel my artistic energies into ansi, instead of elsewhere? it is fun and rewarding... and can be analyzed, thought about, reconsidered, inspiring, interesting, and most of all, hated by all!! yay!

hmm.. funboy. i like that. it's got a nice ring to it.

I wonder how many people would be left in the ansi scene if one day, everyone who drew for recognition rather than fun, just ceased to exist. Ego is a human trait, and for anyone to deny having one is really sad. But if you can have fun drawing for the sake of drawing, and still get a kick out of people's compliments, more power to ya.

Proud to be an egotistical ansi funboy loser.

HEAR! HEAR! I say we start a "funboy" club.

wow a whole thread dedicated to our last pack? man people have alot of time on their hands . and in all honesty, our members, and group as a whole is likely the least egotistical one you will ever encounter,-- and "ex-avenger", if u feel strongly, why not use your real handle so that your point of view can be discussed?

oh and yeah, funboy club, word :)

actually, notice there is only like 1 or 2 messages actually about the pack though. :)

funboy club forever

ok there's two kinds of people in the scene.

there's people who have big egos, and then there's the people that lie about not having an ego.

everyone has an ego. if you didn't have an ego, you must, uh, well i can't even finish the sentence.

if ego wasn't an issue, more people'd join shitty groups, and release there. i wouldn't say that i'd join big group, just cause it's big, and i want everyone to see my art. but i would join so people could see my art.

uh wait that came out wrong.

i wouldn't just join a big group to be popular, i'd join it so people could see my art.

er, ok forget it. we all have big egos.

I HAVE THE BIGGEST EGO OF THEM ALL! HEAR ME ROAR!

Seriously though, I would have to agree with pretty much everyone in this thread that egos are what makes life interesting, and indeed the scene interesting.

Without an ego, people wouldn't takle pride in their work, and furthermore wouldn't strive to be better than the other bastards in the "other" groups. Without egos, whats the point of drawing? To fulfill your lifelong destiny? No, its about enjoyment and being better than everyone else, cause without the burning ambition to be better than Joe Blow, than you'll never be a better artist.

Hmm. I really don't join groups for the sake of my ego at all. I join groups because I respect the other artists, as artists and as friends. If I had been concerned about my ego, I would have joined acid or ice. Instead I chose the group that people hadn't really heard of, and that had artists that I felt the closest kinship with. If it had anything to do with what other people thought, it was to help draw more attention to the group itself, not to have more people see or respect my art in particular.

licey - yeah that's kinda how it is with me. i had my days of trying to be with the best, and that's why i joined twilight. i really didn't know anyone in the group, but when deeply invited me i joined becuase i wanted to be in the best group. but after my break from the scene i came back right before the legion was really a group. now sure it was the best, but the only reason i had joined was becuase i was good friends with maestro way before legion (and even twilight) was thought up. we even sort of started a group. so that's the only reason why i joined. and that's the reason i went back to cia. i had a lot of fun in cia and i still have friends in cia that were in the group from when i first joined.

i think most people in the scene want to be apart of something big, atleast once. i did, and now i'm just in it for fun.

I guess I was just luckier than most.. I started with Remorse before the first pack (when almost everybody sucked) and over time have developed some really great friendships with people in the group (and gotten alot better at ascii art, whatever the fuck that is). That we wound up becoming "the best group" was just a little scoop of ice cream to go on top of my apple pie: it was a nice addition, but the apple pie was what I was looking for to begin with. So, like I said, luckier than most I guess.. I not only got to have all that friendly group stuff, but I also wound up being a part of "the best" (again, a totally subjective term, but 8/10 Helens all agree).

higgy

filth: sure, when i first started drawing in early 1994, i wanted people to notice me. back then all i thought about was getting "popular", and drawing better so that *i* would get more popular..

now i'm 21, and i don't really care. if i did, i'd draw more than 4 ansis a year! i have good friends in the scene, and that's one of the main reasons i draw. i don't think i have much of an ego as far as ansi goes. it's silly. i go on IRC, talk to people i know, check out some packs.. draw an ansi or two. that's what i enjoy. sure, from time to time i get compliments, EVEN negative criticism (imagine that!)... but, i enjoy all of it. i know that there are people that can draw better than me, i know that there are people that can draw worse than me, but so what. i have more important things to worry about than having, and maintaining a "scene" ego.

i can see how that would be different for an artist who is just starting out. then again, we don't have many of those anymore.