i've thought this for a long long time, the millenium pack =)
from best of the best, groupwide of cos. the best way to get this into the air would be
a musicsynchronized viewer such made as with flash/director7 or pure demo with 3dsupport.
the idea would be collecting the best works from now to the end of the year from those who're supporting
and release the "pack" having 100-200 works or something like that =). anyone think this is possible /should be made?

Sounds good to me, there is some really great old stuff that would need to be included, but how are you planning on getting all the arists permissions that aren't in the scene anymore? Are group leader's permission enough?

I would say just try your best on getting a hold of those artists... ask them if they want their art in the release or not. If you cant get a hold of them, release it anyways. I doubt any artist wouldn't want their art released in a "best artwork of the mellenium" disk.

Leo

Jeeeez, what kinda file size would we be talking about here?

if the avg. file size was 60k times 200 + music + coded demo == 15megs!!

well instead we could choose the best 100 and recompress them (if needed), that would make it around 5-6 megs, I think thats reasonable. I think making a coded demo would be totally elite, like a music disk, only with a slide show of artwork + music + a tight intro.

Leo

Or we could have the artwork mapped onto 3D flying shapes! Yeah! :P

yeah, a demo would rule, not!
a flash 'demo' would rule, that way it'll be platform independant, and flash rules WAY more then demos, and it also enables interactivity! :P a flash 'demo', put together in, i dunno, director or something, so it can be launched as an app, and get fullscreen :P
that would rule...with an awesome interface!
and i think flash use mp3 as music format ? am i right ?

i think it's a great idea, but then you encounter the problem.. how to judge the "best of the best"? who decides?

i say decide on a panel of 10 or so scenesters who've been active in the scene forever (radman comes to mind :), have them pick.

misfit

i dunno... i think a mix of old and respected new people should be included, (lice?)... I think a demo along the lines of Statix's wired intro would be pretty wicked. Flash fucks with jpgs hardcore, from what ive tried. Director has possibilty.

I don't think 15 megs would be too much to download, especially for a "milleniums" (or really a decades) worth of art work. Everyone complains that a pack was put together wrong and they had to download an extra 100k of stuff. Then they go and download the latest Vanilla Ice album in mp3 format, and a copy of Soft Image.


Thhhhpt!

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It's true, that once again we have the problem of who's the best and all the judging nonsense. I think that with 200 UNRANKED images, just about anything that someone truely thinks deserves to get in, will get in. I still think group leaders should submit images to represent their group packs, but then what about the dead groups? Maybe just choose someone to grab every file off of ftp.cdrom.com/artpacks and select? If you go that route, I could probably mail the whole archive out on CD's to someone.

BTW: Flash does not use MP3. Flash sound is crap.

If done in director, would it be made into a projector? In that case, we'd have to have a Mac and Windows version. Or Shockwave? Cross-platform, but would have to be viewed in a browser.

One question and one solution.

Are you limiting yourselves to hirez images (+ code) or to a fair respresentation of all schools of art from the various underground scenes and sub-scenes? (Ansi, ascii [old+newschool], music, democoding, loadercoding, lit...)

Judging? Allow every group to choose the top, say, 5% of their output over the last (er..) millennium. If you can't find the group leader for a group, find a reasonable representative of them - a former member, or if failing that, a former site op or former fanboy 8)

I wanna be in on this project but get the bad vibes that I may well end up excluded 8)

hmmmm...we should vote on representatives for each 'direction' in art, like, some people in charge of photomanip, some for drawings, some for ansi, some for ascii, music, whatever...
and, make it director, i could do a mac version...
(tho, i think it's possible to make it platform independant in one version..kinda like ns/ie compatible websites, i think..)
director is the standard when it comes to 'pro' presentations...and we want this to look REALLY elite, since we only get a chance to do this once per thousand years! :P

I don't think there's any way to make a platform independent executable in Director.

Unless you wanted to export as Java...?

fuck a MAC version, is there MAC pack viewers? ansi drawing progs? or any other executable file found in artpacks? Lets just make it PC like everything else.

......but, if someone want to put in the extra effort and make a mac ver. so be it.

Leo

I guess I'm the only one who's actually wondering if this is actually a good idea or not. Everyone else seems to just assume it's the right thing to do. Not that it's a bad idea.. but I'm just not that interested in it at all myself.

I don't think it'd be very fun getting a whole lot of people to agree on the "best" pics in the entire 10 year history of the scene. I've often thought about setting up a gallery of past artwork, sort of like dieznyik's virtual textmode art gallery for ansi, but it's not something I'd want to have a committee for.. just what I liked.

I'd suggest getting a bunch of artists and asking them to pick, say, 10 of their favorite pieces from all that they've seen, and hopefully give some explanation of what they liked about them, and how they influenced their own art, etc. I think it would be more effective if you're giving multiple points of view. The older guys like Catbones can point out some pioneers and have a broader view (as long as there's someone comparable to point out Catbones himself. ;), and newer guys could point out the current artists that got them into the scene, or focus on a particular style, or something like that. Just leave it entirely to the individuals to decide their theme if they have one.. I don't think there should even be any assigning of particular styles or time periods to particular artists.

It'd be cool if people decided to do stuff like "the best of fire" or themes that are somewhat specific like that. Or maybe even something like a cross-medium theme like a "best of comics" that would include rip, ansi, and hirez.. There's lots of better ways of doing this than the "top 100 of all time" route.

As for how it's presented.. coded might be neat, but for all the work involved, it sure would be great to have it on the web so that more people can see it. I figure, if this is going to display the best the scene has had to offer, then it's probably the best thing to show to people outside the scene. No one's going to see a coded disk.

Anyway.. more thoughts?

Just noticed that Tomi's original idea was just including works from now until the end of the year. That's obviously more managable and something quite different from a best of all time project. Catbones had a very similar idea that he suggested to me not too long ago, but I wasn't interested for basically the same reasons as I've mentioned in that last post. I just think it's a lot more worth while when you have a collection of art brought together by a single person, or by people who know they have similar tastes or want to present a specific range of styles or something.

Oh, and as you might have guessed, I despise top40 and "mix" stations. ;)

I have a thought about this whole millennium pack. Instead of having a "Top 100" or anything like that, why not go for a "concept" pack? Have all artists create works based on what they think the new millennium will bring...sickness..prosperity..war..peace...anything. This way, you don't have to worry about judges or anything like that. It would just be one huge pack created by the entire scene.

What's the difference, when none of our computers are going to work after 1/1/2000 anyway? :P

It's time for Rags to Riches III
I hope someone will do it,.. but I doubt that people will get off their lazy ass. Cuz its a lot of work.

it's been 2 years now since Rags to Riches II.. and I guess you have no idea of what I'm talking about. so let me explain you the concept..

It consists of puting along the first gfx (ascii, ansi, rip & hirez)ever made by a well known veteran in the artscene with his best artworks.

It's really sweet to see the evolution.
You can download Rags2$$$ 2 from cdrom.com, its splitted in two, pack A are ansis, pack B rip&hirez.

here's a thought (that i think someone already mentioned but ohwell) .. how about picking 10-20 artists, some scene vets like leonardo, dieznyik, myself, etc, along with some relative newbies, to select some of their favorite pieces of the past decade. i know i can think of a couple that blew my mind and inspired me to waste away my life in front of a computer screen :).

misfit

Funbaby good call..and if the Y2K bug doesn't get us, the solar flares will :D

bleh, it'll never happen anyways...now, we smoke cus it's, just what we do...then there's summer...then there's coldness...damnit, we'll be smoking all year:P ughh, remind me never to post drugged again:P