I QUIT

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By Sprocket (dialup175-1-56.swipnet.se - 130.244.175.56) on Saturday, February 13, 1999 - 07:00 am:

I quit HRG.., scene.. creation.
My milk is over. Suicide note is here:
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/artpacks/artpacks/1999/milk.zip
Sorry for inconvenience.. PEACE.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By BD (dialup175-1-56.swipnet.se - 130.244.175.56) on Saturday, February 13, 1999 - 07:00 am:

This is quite a shock and a surprise...I do not know what to say. I haven't been able to look at the zip yet but sproket's leaving will
definately have some effect on hrg...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By God among Lice (dialup175-1-56.swipnet.se - 130.244.175.56) on Saturday, February 13, 1999 - 07:01 am:

Just.. I don't know what to say either.. and I'm not going to bother trying, either, until I've talked with the guys that are close to him
there in Moscow...

So I urge everyone else to do the same until the whole story is known..

I don't know exactly what this means.. Just leaving the scene? or.. I don't want to know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By Massive (dialup175-1-56.swipnet.se - 130.244.175.56) on Saturday, February 13, 1999 - 07:01 am:

damn


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By Sprocket /HRG (dialup-30190.dialup.ptt.ru - 195.34.30.190) on Thursday, February 18, 1999 - 09:15 am:

oh. got my hands to write/translate it, thanks to Jager...

Well, i thought i said everything that i needed to say, and
even pictured it in milk.zip.. But since many of my friends
still have questions - i guess i failed to explain. :(

It's kinda hard to explain, but still i'll try.
For 2,5 years i was quite at the top of the "control chain " of
HRG Art Departament , and latest 5 pack were guided by me and
Shere Khan, sometimes by me alone. And when it seemed we
achieved good results, significantly
rising the quality of our works, it suddenly turned out that
the majority of the people, who were with the group since the
very beginning, are shocked by what's happening and not only
don't share our excitement about these "quality works", but
even more - they are indignant with them. Artists, musicians,
just close friends of the group. My close friends. When it
came down on me like a huge rock, i was simply crushed.

I talked to Lung and, it seemed, we've found answers to
many questions. We decided how to separate our views of
HRG art. We discussed a possibility of releasing two packs
from group, one would be dedicated to new styles, like
photomanipulations, which generally were the ones that caused
all the troubles. For a short time i thought that all the
problems are eliminated and everything is okay now. But then,
after thorough thinking of it over and over again i understood
it is NOT okay. The way i see art, the art i want to see in
our next packs - it's different from the opinion of many
artists and friends of the group. Pity, but i'm such a man that
either has everything, or has nothing. Either sacrifices
everything for the work he does, or doesn't do it at all.
I cannot imaging myself just giving my art for packing
each month and nothing besides that. I had all the control
over the contents of the packs, i was defining their face,
and i failed this job. And to the last second i was sure
everything was good and we were moving in the right direction.
What could be more awful? Group shouldn't suffer because
artists within cannot make a compromise. And i'm not going
to change my opinion. I still think that only beginning with
20th pack the style started to show, the style we should
aspire to.

But my views run counter to the opinion of the majority of
the group. That's why i quit. I'd be happy to create a new
project, dedicated to a new wave, particularly - to photomanipulation
and design.. but i cannot imagine myself as an artist outside
of hrg. It happened to me and it was great. Maybe sometimes, in
future, but not for now. Now it's all too sudden and painful for me.

And that's all about that.

I'm to work on www.hrgforce.org. Must I slam the door at last,
damn it... :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By root88 ( - 38.212.238.35) on Thursday, February 18, 1999 - 10:56 am:

Sad to see you go man... I've always loved your stuff. Good luck, wherever you are headed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By Leonardo.iCE (gatekeeper2.monsanto.com - 199.89.234.124) on Thursday, February 18, 1999 - 11:10 am:

me too, sprocket. Although I'm not a real big fan of photomanips. I always seemed to like the quality of your well-designed artwork. Too bad you had differences with your group. I hope you'll return and continue to release your art in the scene.

Lates


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By dangermouse (px1.syd.aone.net.au - 203.12.178.133) on Thursday, February 18, 1999 - 01:50 pm:

Sprocket, Forgive me if I seem a bit slow, but why quit the scene over this? It really doesn't seem like the thing to quit the entire scene over, quit a group perhaps, but not the scene. If you don't believe in the direction that the group is heading, quit it. If you feel you have not lived up to your responsibilities as a Dept. head, then take a slap on the wrist and learn from it.
Quiting the scene will not make it any better..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By tomi (darth.nls.fi - 195.156.38.2) on Friday, February 19, 1999 - 12:00 am:

well, i have the same problem. all or nothing.
that's the syndrome of _driven_ people.
groups releasing different artforms can't be strong (spro, although last hrg packs have been very good with variety that fits to each other).
i hate to see lame monster-space 3d in packs just like those people dont like my stuff. the only way to survive is concentrating to one style good. (3d, 2d, fineart, photomanips (like synapse?)).
two artists can never live together in the same house =)

sometimes it's better to leave BEFORE it all starts to take inspiration from you. but once again, here i am cause i'm fucking stupid to waste time for all this. to this scene that has
somehow killed my inspiration for art since last summer.

when noone doesnt understand what you're doing
it's very frustrating and to release that stuff for scene is cheating yourself.

about quitting the scene, it's too hard =), but taking a break is wise. i've noted that keeping a break of month totally with art can give lots of new styles. styles of your own, not just copied from somewhere taking influences from everywhere.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By BD (dyn55-t1.twistercom.com - 207.235.39.105) on Friday, February 19, 1999 - 12:33 pm:

Bzz i'm just glad what I thought what you meant with your zip wasn't true. however don't quit the scene cause you are unhappy, take a break or branch off for a while


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By massive (ti18a25-0002.dialup.online.no - 130.67.226.130) on Monday, February 22, 1999 - 07:47 pm:

spro, i totaly agree with you, understand you on everything, but one thing, quit the scene? no way!
maybe a break from hrg, and join synopsis? you know you're welcome here, and hrg will always be there, so, a sidestep into synopsis for a couple months, i think it would be great! :P tho, i might not be totaly objective ;)
love.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By dangermouse (slbne13p46.ozemail.com.au - 203.108.206.110) on Tuesday, February 23, 1999 - 01:38 am:

BUt yeah, taking a break is a good idea :)


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